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1204. Комуто Херавато [Dessan]  (21.04.2016 18:06)
если интересно, то шин хаяригами 2 уже скоро. Да, детка, хоть кто-то еще делает хорроры в этом унылом поколении анонсов
http://hayarigami.com/shin_hayarigami2/
Ответ: Было бы круче, если бы они не только делали, но и переводили smile

1203. DrDro   (15.04.2016 01:54)
Бывает ли Пирамида на сайте smallgames?
Ответ: Заходила туда несколько раз. Сайт бывает полезен, когда надо спиратить какую-нибудь индюшатину.

1202. Jack_Will [Jack_Will]  (09.04.2016 22:02)
Ofcause,I know"Makino no Uta" is a joke.Because I've found it in 2015.02.11

But most horror game I've played,it won't appear "formless lump of flesh" or something like this,I think not as simple as a coincidence.

Then what about SIREN 2?

Like SIREN:New Translation,Sato Naoko detach the character feature into a new character.

Such as Nakajima Ichiro,Mikami Shu,Kanae.They almost as same as original character,Even 3 ending are as same as "Saya no Uta"'s ending.

In the website of The Mystery of the Bright Win,Offshoot's features and description are as same as saya,Even more stronger than it,effect sound of Offshoot are same.

In the process of reading,I felt I'm not reading SIREN 2's Official spin-off.The game and Official spin-off is totally a "Huge Fan Work"
Ответ: Well, i highly doubt that Naoko Sato wanted to make a reference to Saya no Uta. Most likely she didn't even played it (judging by her twitter, Ms.Sato doesn't seem to be interested in hentai visual novels. And she never mentioned anything about Saya there).

You can ask her about it on twitter, if you want to know for sure.

1201. Jack_Will [Jack_Will]  (09.04.2016 13:35)
Then,Do you know SIREN&SIREN 2 have nexus or base on "Saya no Uta"?Maybe is
hard to believe,I've really collected enough evidence.(maybe is my
fantasy)

I think u must know Sato Naoko(佐藤直子).The script of game,Character design,Stage design.All handle by her.

Even Strange Tales of Hanuda and The Mystery of the Bright Win are writen by her.

First Part is from Strange Tales of Hanuda I think you Already it.

In The knot of "The Returnee"

"I" had returned in an incomplete form that could not be called human.
Cursed to live forever, unable to return to myself - a pitiful mass of flesh.
I let out a scream of despair.
The scream simply makes my formless mass of flesh tremble, unvoiced.
Vinyl, torn by rotten wood sticking out of the rubble, flutters in the aimless breeze.

Makino Kei turn into "a pitiful mass of flesh" then,some Japanese fan thought this description is similar to saya,So somebody was create this Fan Art.

"○○同盟"(○○ Alliance)  is create on Pixiv id=4807477

Then this flesh,become the SCEI(Nitro+)'s Horror survival (visual novel)game "牧野の唄"(Makino no Uta)
id=9683434



By the way,If I'm Toshiyama Keiichiro I'll say this sentence.

This is a Gag of SNK's Initial Game “餓狼伝説(Garou Densetsu)”(Fatal Fury).
In Fatal Fury,When protagonist defeat all enemy(without Billy Kane),Geese Howard is angry for interferes with his plan.

んんんんんー 許るさーん(yu ru ru san) is a solecism it should be 許さーん(yu ru san),if
is in English,it should be "I will never fo~forgive you!!"
Ответ: The "Returnee" story was written almost at the same time when Saya no Uta was released. But i really don't think that Naoko Sato have played Saya no Uta. The idea with "formless lump of flesh" Makino was probably a random coincidence.

And "Makino no Uta" is just a Pixiv joke.
Somebody on Pixiv thought that formless "returned Makino" looks a lot like real Saya, so they started to draw such fan-arts.

1200. Jack_Will [Jack_Will]  (09.04.2016 13:33)
First,thanks for reply.Are u the website Administrator?

Now I'm sure lyrics have the nexus with SIREN.

But I guess,this song hided more information about SIREN2,Hope u can read it in SIREN 2 viewpoint.
Ответ: >>Are u the website Administrator?

Yes.

1199. Jack_Will [Jack_Will]  (04.04.2016 06:13)
Thanks for reply me,But I'm still a student,I don't have enough time to talk with u.Maybe next weekend.Forgive me tongue

1198. About the lryics of “Aztec Queen”   (02.04.2016 12:50)
A country boasting of luxuries, an ancient civilisation, the approaching tragedy

↑ as same as First part

A man seeking riches, calling the end, the crumbling of a myth

↑"A man seeking riches, calling the end"

I think is hint the Nakajima but somebody else said is Nagai Yorito.."A man"is Nakajima,because he love Noriko,I think Noriko like the "rich" in Mother's eyes."calling the end" calling is scream,like Nakajima in Chapter 4,When he turn into "half-eaten",he still want to protect the Noriko.

The heart of a sacrifice, a holy offering

Right now I want to feel the breath of god in my chest under the burning heat of the sun

With the Fifth Sun, the destiny of destruction awaits

The Aztec queen holds her knees to her chest in despair

Chasing Tenochtitlan, the wheel of fate turns

↑"the wheel of fate turns " like "The Mystery of the Bright Win" Chapter 2 preface ——"Like the turning of a Mobius strip, daily life and abnormality reverse"

Until you close your eyes and sleep happily, Aztec queen

Ah, heresy, Quetzalcoatl is a mystery

Dspite is base on Akina Nakamori's "Gypsy Queen" but still a great song,much great than other ,After hearing this song, you'll know the story of SIREN 2.That's I want to say.

And Thanks "零FFTranslation" Chelsea to tell me lots of History about aztecs.
Ответ: Hello.

Glad to know that there are also Siren fans in China smile

And thank you for a great song analysis.

I think this song can be interpreted in two different ways.
It can relate to Yamijima in Siren 2, but it can also relate to Hanuda in Siren 1.

Here's an alternative "Hanuda" interpretation:

1) "In a dusky temple two lovers snuggle close, sharing their love Staring up at the pyramids, offering their eternal prayer"

Two people in a temple could relate to the scene between Hisako Yao and Kei Makino in a church before the destruction of Hanuda. I mean this scene:
https://youtu.be/xy71imJkSv0?t=45

2) "The heart of a sacrifice, a holy offering Right now I want to feel the breath of god in my chest under the burning heat of the sun"

Residents of Hanuda also performed sacrificial rituals and tried to sacrifice Miyako as a holy offering to the God.

3) "An Aztec queen, lost to a simple case of mistaken identity"

Hisako Yao is the "Queen" who forgot her true identity.

4) "Ah, heresy, Quetzalcoatl is a mystery"

Quetzalcoatl = Datatsushi.

5) "the wheel of fate turns until you close your eyes and sleep happily, Aztec queen"

Hisako continued the "cycle of fate" for many years, performing the holy ritual again and again. This cycle would continue until Hisako dies.

1197. About the lryics of “Aztec Queen”   (02.04.2016 12:48)
Staring up at the pyramids, offering their eternal prayer

        The heart of a sacrifice, a holy offering

        Right now I want to feel the breath of god in my chest under the burning heat of the sun

        Loving fiercely in the age of the solar calendar

        An Aztec queen, lost to a simple case of mistaken identity

        ↑"lost to a simple case of mistaken identity"Offical Chinese translated as "只因所识非人",mean "Just because acquaintances is not a human(Dove) "or like English "mistaken identity"

        The destruction of the land of the Aztecs, ah, it's okay to be sorrowful

        Until you close your eyes and sleep happily, Aztec queen

        Ah, heresy, Quetzalcoatl is a mystery
        ↑"Quetzalcoatl" in Chinese we called 羽蛇神(yǔ shé shén),mean "the snake which with feathers".But I think is Datatsushi.SIREN is base on christianity,maybe is hint the Satan?now they may blend the Aztec.Modelling of Datatsushi is blend "hippocampus"and"Shakoki Dogu"and behind the wings.

1196. About the lryics of “Aztec Queen”   (02.04.2016 12:47)
continue

        Ah, destroyed in the year 1521
        In the midst of a prospering civilisation, the Aztecs disappeared
        ↑ I think,This part is hint the history of Yamijima,if in  "Stolen World" viewpoint,It's human society.Person from another place into the Yamijima then outsider leaves the island,then the island is decline.Like human society in "Stolen World" when human walk into prosperous Mother and Yamibito defeat the human and handled earth.
        In a dusky temple two lovers snuggle close, sharing their love
        ↑ "temple" is hint the maybe hint hotel? home? or somewhere like that."two lovers snuggle close" is Shu and Kanae or Nakajima Ichiro and Noriko? "愛を交わすの" I think also hint the "Make Love"Then I guessed is Shu Mikami and Kanae too.In Japanese and Chinese "The netherworld" is called “冥府”(míng fǔ,めいふ),mean is "Dis".then like the movie,Shu and Phantom Kanae snuggle closed in netherworld.In the end of Shu,we also can see Kanae hold shu and swallowed up by the red sea.maybe this is "sharing their love".

1195. About the lryics of “Aztec Queen”   (02.04.2016 12:38)
Hello everyone in Russia,I'm the Fan of Forbidden SIREN in China.

I'don't understand Russian,so I have to use English to talk with you,Forgive me :p.

Long time ago, I'm fall in love with Azuma Eriko 's "Aztec Queen",Then I try to transfer into Chinese,and I found the lyric have the nexus between the SIREN 2 story.I hope everyone can discuss with me.Now,I enter my understanding of the lyrics.

1194. Beardy [Beardy]  (31.03.2016 17:28)
Нинтенда задаёт тренды в консольном маркетинге.

1193. Комуто Херавато [Dessan]  (31.03.2016 16:13)
о какая тема.
Ходят слухи, что красавы в Сосни хотят сделать пс4,5 с разрешением в 4к и, возможно, своими эксклюзивами, которые обычная пс4 либо не потянет, либо будут выглядеть на ней не очень. Это же будет вин, это же всех лалки, кинувшиеся покупать пс4 в декабре 2014 года по старой цене, останутся в дураках. Жаль, что это пока что информационные вбросы.

1192. DrDro   (31.03.2016 14:47)
Найткрай возьму в следующем месяце, ничего не пугает, но судя по отзывам ей бы дать месяцок на патчи.

1191. Beardy [Beardy]  (30.03.2016 20:21)
В первой сирене навигация по миссиям открывается после прохождения 19 уровней.

1190. qweqwe   (30.03.2016 19:25)
в первой сирене можно выбирать миссии в линк навигаторе или нет? в одной миссии пропустил предмет теперь по кругу переходить или как, можно лиостановить миссию и другую выбрать как во второй?